Post Office Horizon Inquiry: Search the Evidence

…ah. Q. When she was introducing it to you, she said -- and the draft transcript reference is page 148, line 12: "Alwen Lyons sends to Paula, 'speaking notes for your call with Alice this afternoon'." A. Mm-hm. 179 Q. In fact, if we look at the email, we can see that, on the face of the email, it's not sent to Paula Vennells. It's sent by…

…I see that? I don't know. Q. If we scroll up, we have it forwarded -- or an email from Angela van den Bogerd to Alwen Lyons, can you remind us who Alwen Lyons was? A. Company Secretary, I think. 124 Q. Do you recall from this period what his views on the integrity of Horizon was? A. It's a her. Q. Her, sorry. A. Both Susan Crichton and A…

If we scroll up, we have it forwarded -- or an email from Angela van den Bogerd to Alwen Lyons, can you remind us who Alwen Lyons was? A. Company Secretary, I think. 124 (31) Pages 121 - 124 The Post Office Q. Do you recall from this period what his views on the integrity of Horizon was? A. It's a her. Q. Her, sorry. A. Both Susan Crichto…

orizon has had bugs." Then, further up, please. Alwen Lyons -- sorry, just go back. Alwen Lyons said: "The question was really about whether the defect had been spoken about in open court other than in the Misra case as it helps that it was in the public domain and not 'covered up' in any way." Then scroll up, please. Mr Jenkins says: "I…

…f we look at the email, we can see that, on the face of the email, it's not sent to Paula Vennells. It's sent by Alwen Lyons to Alwen Lyons. Can you see that? A. Yes, I do see that. Q. The first sentence reads: "Paula, here are my speaking notes for your call with Alice this afternoon." So it could be, I suppose, that this is a draft that…

…f we look at the email, we can see that, on the face of the email, it's not sent to Paula Vennells. It's sent by Alwen Lyons to Alwen Lyons. Can you see that? A. Yes, I do see that. Q. The first sentence reads: "Paula, here are my speaking notes for your call with Alice this afternoon." So it could be, I suppose, that this is a draft that…

…hear me? SIR WYN WILLIAMS: Yes, thank you very much. MR BLAKE: This morning, we're going to hear from Ms Lyons. ALWEN LYONS (affirmed) Questioned by MR BLAKE MR BLAKE: Thank you very much. Can you give your full name, please? A. It's Alwen Lyons. Q. Ms Lyons, you should have in front of you a witness statement, or at least in a bundle in…

…hear me? SIR WYN WILLIAMS: Yes, thank you very much. MR BLAKE: This morning, we're going to hear from Ms Lyons. ALWEN LYONS (affirmed) Questioned by MR BLAKE MR BLAKE: Thank you very much. Can you give your full name, please? A. It's Alwen Lyons. Q. Ms Lyons, you should have in front of you a witness statement, or at least in a bundle in…

…I see that? I don't know. Q. If we scroll up, we have it forwarded -- or an email from Angela van den Bogerd to Alwen Lyons, can you remind us who Alwen Lyons was? A. Company Secretary, I think. 124 (31) Pages 121 - 124

…se environments. Dense experts were using it as an example that Horizon has had bugs." Then, further up, please. Alwen Lyons -- sorry, just go back. Alwen Lyons said: "The question was really about whether the defect had been spoken about in open court other than in the Misra case as it helps that it was in the public domain and not 'cove…

…se environments. Dense experts were using it as an example that Horizon has had bugs." Then, further up, please. Alwen Lyons -- sorry, just go back. Alwen Lyons said: "The question was really about whether the defect

13. Could we have on screen, please, POL00296821. This is an email from Alwen Lyons to Mark Davies, Hugh Flemington and you, copied to Rodric Williams and Jarnail Singh, dated 28 June 2022, Subj 13. Could we have on screen, please, POL00296821. This is an email from Alwen Lyons to Mark Davies, Hugh Flemington and you, copied to Rodric Wil…

…Q. There we are on the witness statement. So paragraph 15, you refer to attending a meeting at Post Office with Alwen Lyons and Paula Vennells. You say "I think in around June or July 2013". A. That's correct. Q. Had you met with Alwen Lyons and/or Paula Vennells 118 before then? A. I don't think I'd met Alwen Lyons before then and I thi…

detriment of [subpostmasters]." You say: "She won't. I mean --" Alwen Lyons says: "I don't think James will ask her -- you know, if he did, I think she could quite rightly say, 'My etriment of [subpostmasters]." You say: "She won't. I mean --" Alwen Lyons says: "I don't think James will ask her -- you know, if he did, I think she could qu…

to confirm, that's on 28 June. You forward that to Alwen Lyons, Martin Edwards and Mark Davies. Mark Davies, we can see, picks up on it: "This is massively important. 136 (34) Pages 133 - 136 The Post Office "Is there also a possibility that all incidents -- 14 and [16] [that's the two bugs] -- have been referenced in court?" The 64 is th…